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Comment from: Sane person [Visitor]
Sane person
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You are missing the point. You will always save money by installing a more efficient boiler. The point is to shop around and find a cheaper installer than British Gas. This is what being a smart consumer is about, not coming up with pointless conspiracy theories about secret envelopes full of cash from British Gas to the Energy Saving Trust. EST gets almost all of its funding from central government. British Gas and the other companies might sponsor an occasional conference but they do not control the EST. You are misleading consumers about how they can genuinely save money on their energy bills with your silly conspiracy theories.

30/05/11 @ 12:47
Comment from: [Member]
Value hunter

“You will always save money by installing a more efficient boiler”
FACT: according to the EST’s own figures and British gas senior billing managers, you will not!
If you change G rated boiler to an A rated boiler, you will save (according to the EST) upto £225 per year on fuel bills - even with the £400 off on the scheme it would take more than 14 years to pay it off.
The EST state that currently a new boilers lifespan is 12 years.
You do the math!

Shop around - I never said that the figures were for british gas to fit a boiler, I did shop around, when the bills continued at the same rate I was told by british gas (Twice) that a new boiler would not use less gas than an old boiler.

pointless conspiracy theories? your words not mine, I questioned the impartiality of the EST.
EST funding, not “the odd conference” as you put it, comes JOINTLY from the private sector and government
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Saving_Trust) as written by their own staff.
These are the same contributors from the private sector that have benefitted by statements put out and the information on the EST website, in increased sales.
The EST don’t even state this on their twitter profile - no mention of private sector funding.
How can they claim to be impartial?
If it’s just a “nominal” amount then why not tell us how much they were paid?
Unless you work for the EST then you can’t possibly know either. All I did was ask the question.

I could have gone much further in the post, I didn’t mention the links between EST’s board and EAGA the company fitting, inspecting, servicing more than 75% of all new boilers under the warmfront scheme, which was questioned as far back as 1998 by Maria Eagle MP on a select committee in parliament!
(source: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmpubacc/613/8030907.htm | See question 106 onwards)

Far from misleading consumers how they can “save money on their energy bills” - my post does the exact opposite, highlighting facts put out by the EST, making consumers aware, so they can make their own decisions.

The figures from the EST speak for themselves, a consumer can save “upto” £225 a year on energy bills and pay back MORE than those savings add up to, on the new boiler and servicing contracts.
Years before they break even on the costs, the boiler will be useless and need replacing again.
Are British gas wrong when they state that a new boiler will NOT use less gas than an old boiler?
Perhaps this is why industry’s own ratings on boilers only quote efficiency savings in percentages?

I’m all for saving money and if it saves energy even better, the EST’s figures just don’t add up, a fact that you haven’t made any mention of in your comment!

Thanks for taking the time to post.

30/05/11 @ 16:59
Comment from: [Member]
Value hunter

“not coming up with pointless conspiracy theories about secret envelopes full of cash from British Gas to the Energy Saving Trust. EST gets almost all of its funding from central government. British Gas and the other companies might sponsor an occasional conference but they do not control the EST”

Returned to this comment, as there are important issues coming up in late 2011, as regards the energy saving trust creating a partner company running alongside it, when it must start putting in tenders for funding and public sector contracts. I was looking for info on Phillip Sellwood and his connections to the Dept for community and local government - which may be deciding tenders that the energy saving trust apply for?

I digress, I came across some other information that might be of interest?
As regards my “silly conspiracy theories” about the EST and british gas, consider this if you please;

British gas hike up their prices, coming into effect in August 2011 - I thought it was odd, that the energy saving trust, despite repeated questions, had no comment on it (or any other energy company hiking up prices) until that is I also asked british gas… again, no comment.

Sat on the board of directors of the energy saving trust, sits Gearóid Lane.
Gearóid, not only is a director of the energy saving trust, http://www.energyadvicecentre.org.uk/Members/Gearoid-Lane-Managing-Director-British-Gas-and-New-Markets
* notice the current website address change of the EST as it transfers over to an industry funded body?

But Gearóid is also the managing director of British Gas and new markets.
http://www.centrica.com/index.asp?pageid=841

Far from being a “conspiracy theory” it appears that the energy companies have far more influence within the energy saving trust than you realise!

31/08/11 @ 02:21
Comment from: John Taggart [Visitor]
John Taggart
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The Energy Saving Trust is a strange organisation. When you ask them who actually runs the business they get very defensive. I am more worried about the door knockers. In Australia, I think they have actually successfully put an end to them. Here the accountability of the various businesses involved in “green deal” is frankly a disaster. We have Government applauding the energy companies for offering various supposed energy schemes for the fuel impoverished. They then sub-contract their dodgy schemes to outfits like Mark Group or SIG. They then subcontract the door knocking and surveying to fly-by-nighters who can body swerve requirements such as certification for surveyors. So the fuel impoverished continue to see their bills go up. Now they have the added grief of potential identity theft as dodgy character after dodgy character turns up at their door offering all sorts of free energy saving installations on behalf of the Government. They are asked to hand over sensitive documents to prove identity. Then they are never seen or heard of again. The Government and the Energy Savings Trust deny all knowledge as the schemes as they are “funded” by the energy companies. The energy companies deny responsibility for the sub-contractors. The sub-contractors deny responsibility for the fly-by-night door knocking survey companies. So the fuel impoverished are left with higher bills, no installations and the impending financial disaster of identity theft. Why are these companies being allowed to operate with no processes in place relating to data protection. Why don’t the energy companies make themselves known to the fuel impoverished as part of the communication via their deceitful web of sub-contractors. If the banks were allowed a free reign to the eventual detriment of the country it is nothing to the free reign being given to the energy companies.

17/05/13 @ 18:54
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